{"id":1969,"date":"2008-09-26T20:37:51","date_gmt":"2008-09-27T01:37:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.net\/?p=1969"},"modified":"2008-09-26T20:37:51","modified_gmt":"2008-09-27T01:37:51","slug":"on-the-debate-and-john-mccains-lies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/?p=1969","title":{"rendered":"On the Debate and John McCain&#8217;s Lies"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Okay, the debate.  Let&#8217;s liveblog. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/mostliberalsenator.blogspot.com\/\">Barack Obama is <i>hardly<\/i> &#8220;the most liberal member of the Senate&#8221;<\/a> as McCain likes to say.<\/p>\n<p><i>Two<\/i> tax brackets?  Did I catch that correctly?  McCain wants to collapse the tax brackets to only two?<\/p>\n<p>How is building nuclear power plants, as McCain suggests we need to do, going to end our dependence on foreign oil?<\/p>\n<p>Obama is absolutely correct &mdash; where does McCain get off saying that he&#8217;s going to be a leader on cutting spending when McCain has rubber-stamped Bush&#8217;s insane fiscal policies?<\/p>\n<p>No, McCain, leadership on Guantanamo Bay does <i>not<\/i> equate to leadership on righting the fiscal ship.<\/p>\n<p>Anyone wanting to understand McCain&#8217;s insistence on &#8220;honor&#8221; in Iraq needs to read the article on McCain in the latest <i>Atlantic Monthly<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>Did McCain answer the question on the lessons of Iraq?  I didn&#8217;t hear an answer.  I heard a lot of history, but I heard nothing about what it <i>means<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>So, the lesson of Iraq is to kick the question forward?  That seems to be McCain&#8217;s answer.  The next president has to deal with the wreckage.<\/p>\n<p>Obama &mdash; &#8220;Senate Inside Baseball&#8221; has to be the greatest phrase ever.<\/p>\n<p>Vietnam hangs over McCain&#8217;s answer to the question &mdash; &#8220;Let us win.&#8221;  Again, see the <i>Atlantic<\/i> article.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We didn&#8217;t have a difference on funding the troops&#8221; is a good answer to the question of funding the Iraq War.<\/p>\n<p>The thing I&#8217;ve noticed about the debate is that while Obama has improved as a speaker as the debate has gone on, McCain has stayed roughly the same.  Obama was hesitant and halting in the first fifteen minutes, but now he&#8217;s hit a groove.  McCain has been more consistent.  The difference is in the content of their messages.  Obama&#8217;s responses are more reasoned and more informative, while McCain&#8217;s are closer to talking points.  Note the way Obama does a &#8220;Number 1, number 2, number 3&#8221; sort of thing.<\/p>\n<p>Pakistan is going to be a <i>major<\/i> issue in the coming years.  McCain&#8217;s plan seems to be a repeat of the pre-1979 American policy toward Iran.  McCain also has a tendency to summarize in the most lurid way possible Obama&#8217;s policy toward Pakistan.<\/p>\n<p>When was Pakistan <i>ever<\/i> considered a &#8220;failed state&#8221;?  Pakistan is a bit like Yugoslavia, in that it was assembled from a bunch of pieces that weren&#8217;t meant to go together.  It&#8217;s not exactly <i>stable<\/i>, but that doesn&#8217;t make it <i>failed<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>Another major difference between Obama and McCain.  Obama&#8217;s style tends toward facts and policy.  McCain tends toward emotional appeals.  For as much as his personalizing an issue by telling a story about a Marine in Lebanon seems to have <i>nothing<\/i> to do with anything, the thing is that that rambling story <i>will<\/i> be what people remember because he&#8217;s making something that listeners can grasp.  &#8220;McCain remembers people!  Obama knows facts!&#8221;  In short, McCain&#8217;s showing empathy.  Obama&#8217;s showing smarts.  It&#8217;s easier to sell empathy than smarts. :-\/<\/p>\n<p>McCain&#8217;s strategy toward Iran won&#8217;t work.  It&#8217;s the Bush policy toward North Korea.  It&#8217;s a continuation of the current Bush policy toward Iran.  Hell, it&#8217;s the current policy toward <i>Cuba<\/i>.  Historically, isolating a nation doesn&#8217;t work.<\/p>\n<p>Iran has a genuine security concern right now.  It&#8217;s called the United States military on its borders.<\/p>\n<p>Multilateralism can work as a carrot-and-stick strategy in dealing with a nuclear Iran.  But that means <i>diplomacy<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>And even if Iran <i>does<\/i> develop a nuclear weapon, they would be <i>insane<\/i> to use it.  Anyone they would potentially use a nuclear weapon <i>against<\/i> would be able to retaliate disproportionately.  There&#8217;s a reason Mutually Assured Destruction worked during the Cold War &mdash; <i>no<\/i> one is insane enough to <i>use<\/i> a nuclear weapon.<\/p>\n<p>McCain doesn&#8217;t even know who the leader of Iran is.  He keeps citing Ahmadinejad, but he&#8217;s not the one in charge of the Iranian military.  He&#8217;s a figurehead.<\/p>\n<p>Good for Obama, bringing up McCain&#8217;s statement that he won&#8217;t meet with the leader of Spain.  Spain, a full member of NATO.  Spain, one of our closest allies.<\/p>\n<p>Why can&#8217;t Israel take care of itself?  McCain keeps talking like Israel needs the United States looking out for it.  If Iran attacked Israel, does <i>anyone<\/i> seriously think that Israel couldn&#8217;t and wouldn&#8217;t respond in kind?  Anyone other than McCain, that is?  Or is McCain just pandering for the Jewish vote?<\/p>\n<p>The argument over Russia, Georgia, and Ukraine is pretty much a wash.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/kradical.livejournal.com\/1399544.html\">Keith mentioned that Obama had earlier in the debate referred to McCain as &#8220;John,&#8221; and only lately has he changed over to &#8220;Senator McCain.&#8221;<\/a>  This is something I noticed Obama do in the Democratic primary debates.  He invariably referred to Senator Clinton as &#8220;Hillary,&#8221; former Senator Edwards as &#8220;John,&#8221; and Governor Richardson as &#8220;Bill,&#8221; while the others in return referred to him as &#8220;Senator Obama.&#8221;  Honestly, I think the over-familiarity by Obama seems too informal.  On the other hand, I think that Obama <i>should<\/i> continue to refer to McCain as &#8220;John,&#8221; as it would doubtless get under McCain&#8217;s skin to have someone whom he clearly does not respect call him by his first name repeatedly. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Did McCain take a lead on the 9-11 Commission legislation?  It doesn&#8217;t seem like something he&#8217;d have been on the forefront of.<\/p>\n<p>Obama has made a solid point that the events post-9-11 have damaged America&#8217;s credibility in the world and weakened America&#8217;s ability to project its power to protect its vital interests.<\/p>\n<p>Why is withdraw from Iraq a &#8220;defeat&#8221;?  It annoys me to hear McCain repeat this canard <i>ad nauseum<\/i>.  Again, see the <i>Atlantic<\/i> article.<\/p>\n<p>Obama does a good job to tie the social policy failures of the past eight years into the national security failures.  &#8220;A broader strategic vision&#8221; &mdash; good summary.<\/p>\n<p>How is McCain <i>more<\/i> flexible in his thinking than Obama?<\/p>\n<p>And now McCain pulls out POW.<\/p>\n<p>And now it&#8217;s done.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t have much in the way of instant punditry to offer.  I think that McCain was, as noted above, more consistent throughout the debate.  Obama was stiff at first, became more natural toward the middle, and I thought he stumbled and turned awkward toward the end.  I would probably give a slight edge to McCain.  It wasn&#8217;t that Obama wasn&#8217;t prepared.  It wasn&#8217;t that he lacked for things to say.  Rather, McCain did a better job at connecting stories about people to the audience, while Obama was a little more theoretical in the way he approached policy.<\/p>\n<p>The key for Obama, going forward, is to get under McCain&#8217;s skin.  Make him angry, get his temper to go off.  Because the debate was more about foreign policy than domestic policy, the debate was more on McCain&#8217;s ground.  Future debates should be on Obama&#8217;s ground and play toward Obama&#8217;s strengths.  He should be well positioned for the future.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Okay, the debate. Let&#8217;s liveblog. \ud83d\ude42 Barack Obama is hardly &#8220;the most liberal member of the Senate&#8221; as McCain likes to say. Two tax brackets? Did I catch that correctly? McCain wants to collapse the tax brackets to only two? How is building nuclear power plants, as McCain suggests we need to do, going to<a class=\"more-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/?p=1969\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">&#8220;On the Debate and John McCain&#8217;s Lies&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[119],"tags":[559,4108],"class_list":["post-1969","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics","tag-john-mccain","tag-politics","entry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1969","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1969"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1969\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1969"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1969"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.allyngibson.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1969"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}